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Cokie Roberts

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The truth is, the notion that gay marriage is harmful to marriage, is sort of mind-boggling, because these are people trying to get married. But it seems to me, if you want to defend marriage against something, defend it against divorce.
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Real Time with Bill Maher, August 6, 2004

 
Cokie Roberts

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